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The book was much stronger but I guess it was too sprawling and... i don't know... un-family-friendly and...


why am I even making excuses for this rubbish?
Sure the musical isn't completely terrible, it does have a few redeeming factors, but it could have been so much better

think of what could have been done with it




and then look at what happened. *sigh*


Why is everyone comparing the novel to the musical when the musical was just based on the novel? Its pretty obvious that the novel was just base material for the musical and they weren't trying to re-create the novel and put it in stage form.


from what I've read in the book, they are two TOTALLY different story lines, like completely different stories, hopefully when they make the movie they change the script up to make it more...this is gonna be ironic...realistic...easier to relate too, I guess that's why they made the Musical so different then the book, more viewers would 'relate' to the troubles of Elphaba and Glinda, well I guess they would, sorry I'm rambling now...


I have been too much like Elphaba lately lately, constantly looking around me for anyone mistrusting so I know to either confront or avoid. If you knew my past, you wouldn't blame me.

I would ordinarily make my standard response about how Elphaba is deliberately intended to appeal to teenagers by influencing them to believe through her songs that they can deeply 'relate' to her and that there is probably no more basis for drawing parallels between you and her than her and me or any other typical person between the ages of 12 and 20. However, I have already brought this issue up in discussion with you and I strongly doubt from impression that there is realistically much chance of you coming round to my standpoint. I will, however, say this much: most teenagers in developed Western countries experience concerns like friendship breakdowns, betrayals, unrequited love and perceived ostracisation by peers. As such I will stand by general perspective and say that your past likely is not radically different from most other girls you know, whether you are aware of what they have experienced or not. This is not to say that you should not relate to Elphaba; rather I am cautioning you against treating this as though you have a distinct or even uncommon case. Acting in a manner that suggests you believe this empathy to be special will only leave a bad impression on others because it will be perceived as a typical quality of the derogatory 'fangirl' image. I know that from experience.


Yes, I'm well aware of this. I never said in that post that I was relating to her. Perhaps you misinterperted my message.

You just explicitly said 'I have been too much like Elphaba lately'. That's about as direct a comparison as one can draw in the English language.


It's amazing that people can spin something to sound different than it was meant too (myself included)....

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^ What do you mean 'spin something to sound different'? I apologise for my bluntness, but I replied to a pair of sentences where she directly and explicitly drew a parallel between herself and Elphaba, which is exactly the type of behaviour outlined in my responding paragraph. There is nothing about my comment that evidences a bias, emphasis or comparable example of linguistic manipulation. It reflects how a reasonable English speaker would objectively understand her post according to known meaning and sentence structure. I should not need to remind you that I am an A2 English student. This means I am in the stage of education in my country directly before university. Not only that, but I am a consistent A grader in this particular subject. I can forgive simple misunderstanding, but I will not allow myself to be accused of either failing to comprehend basic English or 'spinning' something into an entirely different context or perspective.

Understand that I hold nothing personal against either of you and am always willing to give assistance when needed, but in your position I would take a moment to think of the implications of what I've written before hitting 'submit' so that we can avoid unpleasant clashes like this.

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This is sort of like how Eppieboppers feel they relate to Eponine in Les Mis because she's pining for a guy who's in love with someone else and they apparantly feel her angst...then the Cosette bashing starts :x

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^...you just had to remind me of the other teen fangirl stereotype in musical theatre, didn't you?

How bloody many people have I met who treat 'On My Own' as a personal anthem...? >.>

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:lol:

I'm guessing there was jump in Eppiebopper numbers after Glee started, but at least Lea Michele sung it well...XD

But well, this conversation just begged to have Les Mis mentioned...XD

But yes, I think Eppieboppers are probably more annoying than Wicked fangirls...

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^...you just had to remind me of the other teen fangirl stereotype in musical theatre, didn't you?

How bloody many people have I met who treat 'On My Own' as a personal anthem...? >.>


Ahem, I don't mean to sound rude here, but if you really have something against the "stereotypical teen fangirls" around here, and you have nothing nice to say about it, then don't say anything at all. Just go about your daily life a an MdNer ignoring all the teen fangirls of the world to keep yourself happy. Don't even bother me about it.


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Well, it is fangirls who make a forum dedicated to musical theatre where we once used to have heated debates about lyrics and scores into heated debates about who is more popular out of the characters in a musical.

We have had so few debates lately about something that actually has anything at all to do with the quality and controversiality of musicals on these boards, and I am one of those who think the Fan Girl Stereotypes has much of the blame.


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High-baritonne wrote:
Well, it is fangirls who make a forum dedicated to musical theatre where we once used to have heated debates about lyrics and scores into heated debates about who is more popular out of the characters in a musical.

We have had so few debates lately about something that actually has anything at all to do with the quality and controversiality of musicals on these boards, and I am one of those who think the Fan Girl Stereotypes has much of the blame.


Right, but wasn't the musical Wicked intended to have a popular appeal, and wasn't made for the novel-type quality, to have a wider audience?


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elphieglinda16 wrote:
High-baritonne wrote:
Well, it is fangirls who make a forum dedicated to musical theatre where we once used to have heated debates about lyrics and scores into heated debates about who is more popular out of the characters in a musical.

We have had so few debates lately about something that actually has anything at all to do with the quality and controversiality of musicals on these boards, and I am one of those who think the Fan Girl Stereotypes has much of the blame.


Right, but wasn't the musical Wicked intended to have a popular appeal, and wasn't made for the novel-type quality, to have a wider audience?


That, I won't defy, I only supported Random Persons thoughts about Fan Girls, and nothing more.


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High-baritonne wrote:
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Well, it is fangirls who make a forum dedicated to musical theatre where we once used to have heated debates about lyrics and scores into heated debates about who is more popular out of the characters in a musical.

We have had so few debates lately about something that actually has anything at all to do with the quality and controversiality of musicals on these boards, and I am one of those who think the Fan Girl Stereotypes has much of the blame.


Right, but wasn't the musical Wicked intended to have a popular appeal, and wasn't made for the novel-type quality, to have a wider audience?


That, I won't defy, I only supported Random Persons thoughts about Fan Girls, and nothing more.


I respect your opinion, but if it gets in the way of letting fangirls be who they are, well, don't come crwaling back to me for forgiveness.


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^...you just had to remind me of the other teen fangirl stereotype in musical theatre, didn't you?

How bloody many people have I met who treat 'On My Own' as a personal anthem...? >.>


Ahem, I don't mean to sound rude here, but if you really have something against the "stereotypical teen fangirls" around here, and you have nothing nice to say about it, then don't say anything at all. Just go about your daily life a an MdNer ignoring all the teen fangirls of the world to keep yourself happy. Don't even bother me about it.

And I believe you will find this is the case with most of the veteran (or even new...) members on this site, which provides a good reason for you to seriously reconsider your approach on this forum. High-baritonne and Mistress' backing up of my general point says as much. Remember that this site is not simply a sandbox for whimsical thoughts. It is a gathering point for a number of thinking, three-dimensional people. Through your interactions with them, you create an impression of yourself and those like you. As such it makes little sense why one should be so adament to behave in such a childish manner. I do not expect you to start writing like a college student anytime now, but by continuing your present course of action you will only fall into ill-repute among the site members. One is encouraged to act with reasonable levels of dignity and courtesy in person while in public. Do you believe the virtual and textual nature of the Internet means that such considerations should automatically be thrown to the wind? Remember that ultimately my intent is to assist you. Why on Earth would you want to make yourself unnecessarily unpopular? You will ultimately gain nothing if you continue to flippantly brush aside advice given to you by your seniors (e.g. your dismissive use of 'whatever') and fall back on this 'keep your critical opinions of others to yourself' attitude. If you are aware that the sort of behaviour you exhibit creates prejudice against people like you, why continue to perpetuate the image? What good can come out of being conscious that one acts in a manner that may seed annoyance and resentment, but choosing not to do anything about it? Letting someone be is one thing. Allowing somebody to act stupidly is another. Instead of contributing to the negative stereotype of fangirls, why not help to counter that stereotype? Why not give us reason to believe that you are intelligent, capable human beings? Surely then we would leave you alone. The very fact that you have rubbed people the wrong way with your actions and created such a prejudice is evidence that your attitude will only be counter-productive to being treated with courtesy and respect.

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random_person wrote:
One is encouraged to act with reasonable levels of dignity and courtesy in person while in public. Do you believe the virtual and textual nature of the Internet should automatically means that such considerations can automatically be thrown to the wind?


It's a shame, really. I am frequently annoyed at how maliciously and flippantly some people post on these boards.

Dramatic Illustration:
broadwaylover112: I like the film soundtrack better than the OBC.
maladjustedteenager66: ahahh yours o retarded. the obc is prue genius and anyone who preferst he film is an idiot. f**k you!

Even when someone tries to begin an intelligent debate it usually devolves into this, as High-baritonne suggested.

random_person wrote:
Why not give us reason to believe that you are intelligent, capable human beings?


Because then the more eloquent and compositionally-minded Mdners might not have cause to expose the fangirls' collective folly. God needs Satan, no?
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On a more serious note, I enjoy how this thread went along undaunted and took on a life of its own beyond what the original post read, which was effectively a big "Who cares?" moment.


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