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shannon_waz_here
Tony Winner
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:42 pm Posts: 457 Location: Richmond, Virginia
Current Obsession: Les Misérables
Main Role: Performer
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It's amazing that people can spin something to sound different than it was meant too (myself included)....
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| Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:45 pm |
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random_person
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 1:30 pm Posts: 2076 Location: United Kingdom
Current Obsession: Chess
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^ What do you mean 'spin something to sound different'? I apologise for my bluntness, but I replied to a pair of sentences where she directly and explicitly drew a parallel between herself and Elphaba, which is exactly the type of behaviour outlined in my responding paragraph. There is nothing about my comment that evidences a bias, emphasis or comparable example of linguistic manipulation. It reflects how a reasonable English speaker would objectively understand her post according to known meaning and sentence structure. I should not need to remind you that I am an A2 English student. This means I am in the stage of education in my country directly before university. Not only that, but I am a consistent A grader in this particular subject. I can forgive simple misunderstanding, but I will not allow myself to be accused of either failing to comprehend basic English or 'spinning' something into an entirely different context or perspective.
Understand that I hold nothing personal against either of you and am always willing to give assistance when needed, but in your position I would take a moment to think of the implications of what I've written before hitting 'submit' so that we can avoid unpleasant clashes like this.
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Mistress
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Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:19 pm Posts: 2826 Location: If you care to find me, look to the western sky...or just look in Toronto
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This is sort of like how Eppieboppers feel they relate to Eponine in Les Mis because she's pining for a guy who's in love with someone else and they apparantly feel her angst...then the Cosette bashing starts 
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:46 am |
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random_person
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Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 1:30 pm Posts: 2076 Location: United Kingdom
Current Obsession: Chess
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^...you just had to remind me of the other teen fangirl stereotype in musical theatre, didn't you?
How bloody many people have I met who treat 'On My Own' as a personal anthem...? >.>
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:52 am |
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Mistress
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Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:19 pm Posts: 2826 Location: If you care to find me, look to the western sky...or just look in Toronto
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I'm guessing there was jump in Eppiebopper numbers after Glee started, but at least Lea Michele sung it well...XD
But well, this conversation just begged to have Les Mis mentioned...XD
But yes, I think Eppieboppers are probably more annoying than Wicked fangirls...
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:02 am |
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elphieglinda16
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Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:17 pm Posts: 2629 Location: Nowhere
Current Obsession: Writing
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Ahem, I don't mean to sound rude here, but if you really have something against the "stereotypical teen fangirls" around here, and you have nothing nice to say about it, then don't say anything at all. Just go about your daily life a an MdNer ignoring all the teen fangirls of the world to keep yourself happy. Don't even bother me about it.
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:00 am |
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High-baritonne
Broadway Legend
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:21 pm Posts: 1146 Location: Norway
Main Role: Performer
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Well, it is fangirls who make a forum dedicated to musical theatre where we once used to have heated debates about lyrics and scores into heated debates about who is more popular out of the characters in a musical.
We have had so few debates lately about something that actually has anything at all to do with the quality and controversiality of musicals on these boards, and I am one of those who think the Fan Girl Stereotypes has much of the blame.
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:16 am |
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elphieglinda16
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Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:17 pm Posts: 2629 Location: Nowhere
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Right, but wasn't the musical Wicked intended to have a popular appeal, and wasn't made for the novel-type quality, to have a wider audience?
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:18 am |
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High-baritonne
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Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:21 pm Posts: 1146 Location: Norway
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That, I won't defy, I only supported Random Persons thoughts about Fan Girls, and nothing more.
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:01 am |
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elphieglinda16
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Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:17 pm Posts: 2629 Location: Nowhere
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I respect your opinion, but if it gets in the way of letting fangirls be who they are, well, don't come crwaling back to me for forgiveness.
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:08 am |
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random_person
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Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 1:30 pm Posts: 2076 Location: United Kingdom
Current Obsession: Chess
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And I believe you will find this is the case with most of the veteran (or even new...) members on this site, which provides a good reason for you to seriously reconsider your approach on this forum. High-baritonne and Mistress' backing up of my general point says as much. Remember that this site is not simply a sandbox for whimsical thoughts. It is a gathering point for a number of thinking, three-dimensional people. Through your interactions with them, you create an impression of yourself and those like you. As such it makes little sense why one should be so adament to behave in such a childish manner. I do not expect you to start writing like a college student anytime now, but by continuing your present course of action you will only fall into ill-repute among the site members. One is encouraged to act with reasonable levels of dignity and courtesy in person while in public. Do you believe the virtual and textual nature of the Internet means that such considerations should automatically be thrown to the wind? Remember that ultimately my intent is to assist you. Why on Earth would you want to make yourself unnecessarily unpopular? You will ultimately gain nothing if you continue to flippantly brush aside advice given to you by your seniors (e.g. your dismissive use of 'whatever') and fall back on this 'keep your critical opinions of others to yourself' attitude. If you are aware that the sort of behaviour you exhibit creates prejudice against people like you, why continue to perpetuate the image? What good can come out of being conscious that one acts in a manner that may seed annoyance and resentment, but choosing not to do anything about it? Letting someone be is one thing. Allowing somebody to act stupidly is another. Instead of contributing to the negative stereotype of fangirls, why not help to counter that stereotype? Why not give us reason to believe that you are intelligent, capable human beings? Surely then we would leave you alone. The very fact that you have rubbed people the wrong way with your actions and created such a prejudice is evidence that your attitude will only be counter-productive to being treated with courtesy and respect.
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| Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:26 am |
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Vichysois
Tony Winner
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:12 am Posts: 312 Location: US
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It's a shame, really. I am frequently annoyed at how maliciously and flippantly some people post on these boards. Dramatic Illustration: broadwaylover112: I like the film soundtrack better than the OBC. maladjustedteenager66: ahahh yours o retarded. the obc is prue genius and anyone who preferst he film is an idiot. f**k you! Even when someone tries to begin an intelligent debate it usually devolves into this, as High-baritonne suggested.
Because then the more eloquent and compositionally-minded Mdners might not have cause to expose the fangirls' collective folly. God needs Satan, no?
On a more serious note, I enjoy how this thread went along undaunted and took on a life of its own beyond what the original post read, which was effectively a big "Who cares?" moment.
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