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Post Re: Accusations of plagiarism
One of the songs I co-wrote and recorded takes a couple of two bar phrases from Metallica's "Nothin' Else Matters." I highly doubt they will be banging on my door any time soon.

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Post Re: Accusations of plagiarism
Cptn. Wazoo wrote:
Let's just pretend for a minute that he did rip off Pink Floyd. Do you think one day he thought to himself, while listening to the song, "man, this shit's good. bet it would go well in my musical!". It just seems like such a random song to rip off. It's not even one of Pink Floyd's biggest songs. If he was deliberately ripping off of the band, why not rip off Another Brick in the Wall or Comfortably Numb?


I'm not convinced by that. If you were going to plagiarise deliberately (although I don't think ALW did), you'd deliberately go for something obscure, otherwise half your audience would notice it and you'd lose all credibility. And get sued.

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Oh wow the phrase in The Appartment thing is identical. :wtf:

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jackrussell wrote:
Cptn. Wazoo wrote:
Let's just pretend for a minute that he did rip off Pink Floyd. Do you think one day he thought to himself, while listening to the song, "man, this shit's good. bet it would go well in my musical!". It just seems like such a random song to rip off. It's not even one of Pink Floyd's biggest songs. If he was deliberately ripping off of the band, why not rip off Another Brick in the Wall or Comfortably Numb?


I'm not convinced by that. If you were going to plagiarise deliberately (although I don't think ALW did), you'd deliberately go for something obscure, otherwise half your audience would notice it and you'd lose all credibility. And get sued.


True, but that'd still be a really random scenario. "You know what would go great with Phantom of the Opera? Pink Floyd!" As I said, it's a simple chord progression. Why, out of all of their songs, would he choose to rip off that? It's a coincidence, and nothing more.


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Cptn. Wazoo wrote:
jackrussell wrote:
Cptn. Wazoo wrote:
Let's just pretend for a minute that he did rip off Pink Floyd. Do you think one day he thought to himself, while listening to the song, "man, this shit's good. bet it would go well in my musical!". It just seems like such a random song to rip off. It's not even one of Pink Floyd's biggest songs. If he was deliberately ripping off of the band, why not rip off Another Brick in the Wall or Comfortably Numb?


I'm not convinced by that. If you were going to plagiarise deliberately (although I don't think ALW did), you'd deliberately go for something obscure, otherwise half your audience would notice it and you'd lose all credibility. And get sued.


True, but that'd still be a really random scenario. "You know what would go great with Phantom of the Opera? Pink Floyd!" As I said, it's a simple chord progression. Why, out of all of their songs, would he choose to rip off that? It's a coincidence, and nothing more.

The truth is that they sound typical of the type of chord scales that would be used for the evil character in a silent movie. I personally think that this is what ALW had in mind.


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Post Re: Accusations of plagiarism
People only accuse ALW of plagiarism because he's getting so rich off his music, so they think they can make a cheap buck by taking him to court over some superficial similarity of tunes, IMO. Same goes for Jerry Herman with "Hello, Dolly" (the only other case, as far as I know, where a MT composer was actually threatened with legal action for plagiarizing a tune).

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To be honest, you always find similarities in art. Always. That doesn't have to be on purpose. And ALW is definitely NOT the only composer who has written song with similarities to other songs.

It's subconscious, as in all kinds of art. To be honest, many artists do that. I don't think ALW sits down while working and thinks "umm... so... what tune will I steal today?" that would be totally stupid.

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