TARZAN - Quality of Show / OCR / Cuts / Opening / Opinions
The show is not "crap", nor is it as brilliant as its most hardcore fans would argue. To label the show a complete failure reveals a fairly superficial engagement with the work, as some elements of the show are successful, even if some elements aren't. While the design and staging certainly failed the show, the score certainly is serviceable. Although the lyrics could use some work, not only for the more obvious problems but also many little changes that would add a meticulousness to the lyrics that they lack in their present state, the score does what it needs to dramatically within the conventions established by the show for telling the story musically. So while it may not be a so-called "great" score, it is not a terrible one either - it's not even the worst score for a Disney Theatricals presentation - and other musical with scores of a similar quality have gone on to great success thanks to a staging that helped the show transcend its text. Tarzan
had no such help from its director-designer - and, indeed, therein lies the answer to why the show didn't work out as well as it could have.
Bob Crowley, who is ironically first and foremost a designer, should never have been hired to helm Tarzan
. In the past, he has been responsible for some wonderful design work, but Tarzan
falls far short of even his next worst design. Perhaps, because he was directing the show and because of his directorial inexperience, there was no outside eye to guide his vision as a designer, which it seems is something he needs. This challenge was one that was insurmountable for Tarzan
and was compounded even further because he was unable, surely due to his own uncertainty in the role, to push Phil Collins and David Henry Hwang towards a better final product when it came to the score and book of the show respectively. This left Tarzan
, in its original Broadway production, as an average show let down even further by poor design and staging.
Finally, regarding your comment about Disney in general, I'm certain they are capable of producing better work on Broadway. However, to do this they need to weigh up very carefully who they hire to bring these shows to life. Furthermore, it's not as if any of their other shows is perfect. Hiring the wrong directors and designers certainly didn't help either Tarzan
or The Little Mermaid
; The Lion King
and The Little Mermaid
both have less than satisfying books; Mary Poppins
and Beauty and the Beast
both have fat in the score and the latter has some dismal additions when it comes to the lyrics. So what makes, say Beauty and the Beast
or The Lion King
such a big hit? The staging of each elevates the material beyond its limitations - but limitation, as noted above, are very much present in all of them.
Oh, nonsense. There's nothing wrong with the cast recording except that it might lead someone to believe that the show on Broadway was better than it was. Certainly, it reveals that the production had more potential that its original production realised.
I've yet to see any kind of confirmation that the spider scene was actually cut. For every person who says it was cut, there seems to be a person who says it wasn't, and none of the people who say it was cut seem to offer any explanation when asked how the sequence was replaced and the show reworked as a result of the alleged cut. These latter points offers credence to the claim that it was indeed not cut.
You two are honestly the only people I've encountered who who didn't like the opening. Even the most hardcore haters of the show's Broadway design seem to have praise for the opening sequence and say that they staging only went downhill from that point onwards. However, I suppose it's easier to get your kicks out of randomly bitching about the show than it is to look at it in a way that has even any vague sense of proportion and out of being blatantly provocative without any solid reasoning to back up your opinions.
I can't believe you're genuinely
surprised that you eventually got a reaction like this considering the deliberately inciting tone that runs through almost all of your posts in the threads on the Tarzan
board. Having read every single post on this section of the website, it almost seems as if this is precisely what you were trying to achieve: to annoy the hardcore fans and provoke them into reacting towards you in this manner at some point. So maybe if you are going to trash a show, you should spend a little more time (a) checking your facts; (b) justifying your opinions; and (c) looking at a show with a more balanced and holistic perspective. Believe it or not, your posts on Tarzan
aren't much more articulate than those written Jade or Broadway_Girl, even if you do use full words and don't curse.
Also, Broadway_Girl's post was not aimed at all people who didn't like Tarzan
. It is clearly directed at those who rejoiced uninhibitedly at the closing announcement for the show on the first page of this thread
. While I don't agree with the way that she expressed herself, it is a bit tacky to be so completely joyous when a show closes even if you're not a big fan of it.
is perhaps not Disney's greatest animated feature, but it's not awful either. As mid-range Disney, it's still better than most Western animation. Although it still has some flaws, the film actually has a great deal counting in its favour: it's a pity you could not engage with its fine storytelling, generally strong characterisation, good voice work and groundbreaking animation, which certainly offered some amazing sequences even when it wasn't groundbreaking. Perhaps you should give it another chance.